1/28/09 Las Vegas, NV
2009 Ram Cummins Diesel
DODGE CUMMINS 6.7l problems persist into 2009!
When I first wrote about the (at that time) release of the 6.7L Cummins Diesel from Dodge, I was covering the issue of Ultra Low Sulfur Fuel, the new engine, exhaust systems being developed by the manufacturers to meet EPA emissions regulations. I can’t recall a time that so much anger and frustration has been levied against an automobile manufacturer and the manufacturer has turned a deaf ear. The NHTSA has not recalled the truck. Millions of dollars have changed hands and thousands of Dodge Ram 2500/3500 owners have been left in the lurch. Not only have they been loyal to Cummins, only to be shafted by Dodge, but knowing the issue exists in the Ford Power-stroke, has left many wondering what to drive? DODGE hasn’t figured out what to do about the litany of complaints and their fixes and flashes have failed to resolve the problem. With the threat of bankruptcy looming overhead, many Dodge owners are seeking legal advice to salvage a buy-back before the factorys’ liability becomes another item on the creditors list. I feel badly about all this. I’ve sold Dodge-Jeep and Chrysler products for years, but seeing and hearing about the way Chrysler is treating their loyal Dodge Cummins owners makes my blood boil. You can’t blame tree huggers or the EPA, they are not at fault. Everyone wants to breathe clean air and leave an unpolluted earth for the next generation. The real culprits are the factory bean-counters that rushed a product to market that wasn’t ready, and has failed the consumer when these problems arose. You won’t see many 2009 Diesels around because the factory knows there are problems in the black hole and no way to fix it without redesigning the entire fuel/exhaust system.
Come on Chrysler, step-up and do the right thing. RECALL these trucks and give the folks their money back . Get out of the game until Cummins tells you the engine/exhaust works to EPA specs. The problems mentioned below are a sampling of issues Dodge has yet to fix.
COLD WEATHER FREEZE: Jason in Canada tells of cold weather imploding his Cummins; “I have this 07 6.7 and well I’ve had CUMMINS in all my dodges for years. This is the worst engine I’ve had for mileage. Well 17000kms the engine is done. Dealer is replacing it at the moment. Seems at -30 the engine kicked all the oil out through the dip stick. So watch out you guy’s with no Warranty. I was told I lost the first in North America. I hope I get an up dated model that has no issues.”
DPF PLUGGING UP, CHECK ENGINE LIGHTS AND LOUSY FUEL ECONOMY. Eric shares his, not unusual Dodge Cummins 6.7l diesel problems; “I purchase a new 2007 3500 dodge with the 6.7 liter, I have had it in the shop 9 times for the check engine light, and all these were because of the new emissions particulate filter system. I have purchased low sulfur fuel, maintained the oil changes, but to no avail. I have had constant problems with this emission system were the particulate filter plugs up constantly causing more fuel to be injected into the particulate and causing very poor fuel mileage, along with carbon suit residue on the bed of the truck from the exhaust. The last 3 visits to the dealership would get the light turned off just to have the light come back on with days after. I spent $41,000 on the truck and have been nothing but a nuisance with having to have dealership visits on a regular basis. I have a 2002 dodge with the 5.9 liter, and have never had a problem like this. I would like to know if there is anything that can be done about this, cause the dealership desk also recognize that this is an issue that is wide spread also, knowing that I’m not the only one with this problem tells me that this issue is wide spread also, knowing that I’m not the only one with this problem tells me that someone with dodge needs to take action if they want to keep loyal customers!”
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And, if you want to be added to the list of customers interested in a class action suit or in need of legal advice please feel free to contact me at: sarahlee@mycarlady.com or reach out to these people who have offered to help those of you with Cummins problems:
“… Individual claims are the best bet in this situation. If you need representation in Michigan or simply have questions regarding your rights, I would be glad to help. For more information, please feel free to e-mail me at danil@lemonlawlawyers.com, or visit my website: http://www.lemonlawlawyers.com.”
From Atty. Mark Anderson; “My opinion is that individual owners will do much better hiring me or some other lemon law attorney on an individual basis. As I indicated in my blog, Chrysler LLC will repurchase the Dodge trucks with the Cummins diesel. So if you have any California owners who want representation, I would much appreciate it if you were to direct them my way. All my fees are contingent. ” — Mark F. Anderson Email: mark@aoblawyers.com. Firm name is Anderson, Ogilvie & Brewer LLP, 600 California St, 18th FL, San Francisco, CA 94108. DD phone is 415.651.1951. Disclaimer: I don’t know either of these folks personally and get nothing for posting them here. They have sought me out through this blog .
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You are correct that the Dodge trucks with the 6.7L engine are trash. I have an 08 with 23ooo miles on it and it is back in the dealer again for the 11th time. It has had 5 CEL instances with 2262 codes and another with the O2 sensor codes. Turb, turbo boost vale, 3 O2 sensors and numerous falshes and I still can’t trust this truck. Besides that the oil level increases over a quart in 3000 miles and has been reported 5 times also with nothing getting resolved. The Chrysler rep wants to offer me a 100,000 mile warrenty to shut up but I am refusing. guess I best get a lawyer and sue the junk out of Chrysler!
Comment by Robert Goppert — 02/11/2009 @ 9:58 am
My 07 6.7 has had the same emission issues time and time again since 2K miles. I now have 23K on it without any hiccups. “One bitten…twice shy”…or something like that! I hired an attorney and the truck will be purchased back from the idiots that wanted to be first “out of the gate”. Too bad…because the 6.7 is getting a bad rap…it has to perform with a collar around its neck. Before attending my scheduled arbitration hearing with a non-credible company…recommended by DaimlerChrysler, I contacted Mark Anderson of San Francisco asking for any helpful information before entering arbitration. He said, “your wasting your time”. So I took the train to the city to see him and handed over all of my documents supporting my case. The buy back is going to happen. Send a letter to the rats from an attorney and it’s like automatic D-CON…they just don’t want you to know it! They want you to feel helpless…like nothing can be done to remedy the $53K you donated when you banked on Dodge’s reputation. And to think I had the option to go with the last of the 5.9′s…I’ll never forgive myself. In all…the truck is costing me $800.00 to drive since day one. I will receive a check back from Chrysler for my 22K 04 Duramax Diesel down payment as well as every monthly payment to date including tax and registration fees…not to mention my $1,800.00 extended warranty fee. In all…the check will be $36K. Oh yeah…and they have to pay $4K to Mark Anderson to cover my attorney fees. Niiicce…who’s laughing now. I’m in the process of ordering a 2009 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie MegeCab 4×4 5.7 Hemi with the 4.10 rear axle. The 380 horses…400 lb./ft. of torque and life time power train warranty is more than suitable for my needs. I’ll add the cold air intake and cat-back exhaust system to provide the 5.7 with a little better breathing environment. Hopefully Chrysler will be around to replace the Hemi and the transmission when it fails at 100K+ miles. No more changing fuel filters every 10K…no more low ash motor oil…no more #15 low sulphur diesel fuel and no more headaches associated with the 2010 witch hunt of diesel engines. They should’ve spent more time regulating Wall Street!
Comment by Ed Landphere — 02/16/2009 @ 11:00 pm
Does anyone know if they’ve resolved the issues on the `09s? I have an `05 3500 Quad Ram with the 5.9 Cummins and am considering taking advantage of the deep discounts they’re offering in order to move up to a newer vehicle. Any thoughts?
Comment by John Cherry — 04/26/2009 @ 6:42 am
I Have a 2008 Dodge Ram 2500 W/ the 6.7L commins diesel. So far I have had the particulate filter replaced three tmes. Two of those three times I was left on the side of the road stranded, the truck would not even limp to safty. I have just started a case W/ chrysler. They say the problem is fixed, but that’s what they have said three times now. This last time they replaced the EGR valve,particulate filter, and all three sensors. Does any on know if the 2010′s are going to be any better. Please Help!
Comment by D. Jett — 07/28/2009 @ 8:35 pm
I have a 07 2500 4×4 and the check engine light has come on several times since it was purchased. I have 88000 miles and the dealer said my warranty ended at 85000. My Dpf needs to be replaced. Is dodge going to recall these trucks? How can anyone afford to replace. Does anyone have any advice?
Comment by Christina — 08/29/2009 @ 9:20 pm
I also have a 2008 2500 and it started with 2000 miles egr,02 sensor problems,turbo noise! it now has 17000 and im in the process of getting a lemon law attorney and going back to the hemi. 8 times to dealer new turbo countless sensors exhaust brake im done!
Comment by jeff — 10/07/2009 @ 8:38 pm
I have replace 3 turbo. The last One cost me 3600.00 dollars. The pcv fifter, used to be 19.00 dollars-now they range from 120.00—165.00 depend on which Dealer you go to. The fuel fifter was 35.00—- now 70.00. I have had my 2007 Dodgeram 6.7 in the shop at lease 25 times. Shame on the customer if it go out of warrtany like mine did. Dodge is over price on Trucks,parts & labor. I have not taken my dodge back to the dealer. They dont know what they are doing.If you take it they charge you for thing that you dont need. There excuse is it throw a code a code while it was there. they charge me 350.00 for replace 2 battery. There was nothing wrong with the batterys – just another way of screwing the customer. I have 155000 miles on my dodge—— Stay away from the Dealer—— used common since search the internet. you will get better deal on parts & labor…… Shame on Chrysler….. Larry
Comment by Larry — 10/31/2009 @ 12:53 pm
2007 2500 6.7L Cummins – 3 times in for Turbo, EGR, O2 Sensors, DPF regen, etc, etc… 20K, 23K and 37K miles, all 3 preceded with EMI light, turbo lag/pressure loss. Oct 9 – engine failure, no warning, engine performance problem… Light and DPF Filter regen chimed on 1st restart attempt – Chrysler towed to Dealer where purchased – Denied warranty coverage for dirty air filter. District Mgr & Field Service Engineer from Chrysler – 54,900 miles. Inept service writer calls initially (pre-Chrysler deny) with $12,000.00 quote to replace Turbo, EGR, DPF etc… Blaming filter – MAINTENANCE ISSUE – Retained Attorney today to File Arbitration… Amazing how someone forking out $$ on a $48K sticker gets thrown under bus…. Cummins is great – Emmissions – EGR for the f-ing birds/tree huggers….
Comment by Chris — 11/04/2009 @ 1:11 am
Hi All,
I’ve been thinking of buying a diesel truck. I like the Cummins name but have been reading about a lot of issues with the 6.7. So I have a couple of questions:
a) is there an aftermarket solution to the some of the more problems?
b) is the 5.9 better diesel then the other manufacturers are putting out (Ford PS, Chev)?
Thanks for any advice you can provide.
Gord
Comment by Gord — 11/29/2009 @ 9:54 am
Not sure what is happening with my comments here. Can anyone tell me if there is an aftermarket solution to the more critical of the 6.7 problems? If you were in the market would you go for a 5.9 or one of the competitors diesel offerings?
Thanks
Gord
Comment by Gord — 11/29/2009 @ 9:59 am
I purchased a 2009 ram 3500 with the 6.7 cummins in Feb 2009. It’s been 10 months and 12,000 miles, I have not had a single problem with the truck. Perhaps I just got a good one, but I am very pleased with the truck. It’s got massive pull power and cruises nicley on the freeways. Mileage, however, could be better. It’s not quite as good as my 5.9′s.
Comment by Jonathan — 12/15/2009 @ 8:02 pm
Can find some answers to the problem here at dieselbombers.com
Comment by wildbill — 12/20/2009 @ 6:02 pm
I’ve been through 19 injectors on my 06. Dealers says I idle too much, but it’s from this crappy new ULSD and a weak ass 10 mic filter, when it should be a 2 mic. Stupid ass Dodge engineers should’ve went with it 7 years ago when they introduced the HPCR (High Pressure Common Rail) model engine. Also designed a better water/fuel separation system and beefier fuel pump.
We also can’t forget their big screw up when they came out with the Bosch VP44 fuel injection pump for the 1998.5 model year Cummins engines. Couple that with a crappy mechanical lift pump, and your injection pump may not last too long.
Dodge has never gotten it right from day one, and neither has any manufacturer in the US for that matter.
Comment by Bill — 12/20/2009 @ 6:12 pm
I have an 09 2500 4×4 purchased in Feb and have put about 17,000 miles on it. To this date I have had no issues what so ever. I avg about 17 miles per gallon with it. I can get almost 20 if I follow the speed limit. My father has an 07 2500 with about 27,000 miles on it and he also has not had any issues with it. I guess we were lucky.
Comment by David — 02/03/2010 @ 8:59 pm
yes there are aftermarket solutoins to these problems p.d.i is the solution
Comment by scrappy — 09/06/2011 @ 3:28 pm
I am interested in joining the class action suit against Chrysler for the 07 and above years Dodge diesel pickup trucks. Any information you can provide me with on this subject would be appreciated. I’ve enclosed my home address in case you need it: Jerry Hoskins 39 Radcliffe Drive Bella Vista, Arkansas 72714. Thank You, Jerry
Comment by Jerry Hoskins — 11/29/2011 @ 11:42 am
Could someone inform me how I can become part of this class action suit. I have a 2007 6.7 Cummins and have had the check engine light on and the Dealer cleaned the EGR and turbo but did not replace. I am concerned that I will have a repeat performance from the comments I have been reading.
Terry Williams, Bella Vista, Arkansas
Comment by Terry Williams — 05/10/2012 @ 8:22 am
Hi Terry, Ive sent you the information to your email. SL
Comment by MYCARLADY — 05/10/2012 @ 8:35 pm
I have a 97 , 2500 with a 5.9 and 270 K miles and 22 mpg.The check engine light has been on for 7 years with no problems, I have just ignored it as advised by the dealer. I also purchased an 04 , 3500 two wheel, , installed a Banks system and was very trouble free for 80k miles before I traded it for an 08 four wheel drive 6.7 and had to be towed to the dealer at 50k miles,replaced the catalytic filter, 98% blocked. I now have 86k with no problems other than low mpg 13-16 and transfer case stuck in neutral and had to be towed to dealer. Tthe dealer repair manual has a simple procedure to correct and put back in gear but it’s a secret and they would not divulge it.
Comment by Loyal follower — 06/14/2012 @ 9:37 pm
I have a 2009 Dodge 2500 6.7 diesel. Have had in shop 6 times for DFI filter problems. Every time there is a different excuse. Have had to be towed in. My truck has 96000 miles and my check engine light continues to go off. When in shop this past time there excuse was that the crank case filter was not maintenanced at 70,000 mile and Dodge would pay part and my share was $470. They have replaced turbo, o2 sensor, even said the DFI filter needed a shield around it to heat up more. Will be meeting with my attorney this week. any help would be appreciated.
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Comment by home air purifiers — 08/04/2012 @ 10:29 am
I HAVE A DODGE RAM 6.7 3500 . when I’m towing a trailer with jake brake tow haul and electric brake on and I’m braking on a steep hill the engine stalls . the dealer denies hearing of this problem before and can’t find a problem. Has anyone heard of this, i have heard several times thats its the jake brake causing the problem . and i did go through the sensors and particulate filter problem . haven’t had a problem with it since they fixed it.
Comment by Victoria — 01/17/2013 @ 10:31 am
I too have a 2007 Dodge ram 2500 Megacab Larimie 4×4 with 6.7 Turbo Diesel and Just bought this truck 4 months ago with My Lifes Savings of 35000.00 CASH and it only had 58000 ORIGINAL miles…Well 4 Months later and it still only has 59750 Miles and a”DIRTY TURBO” and because I have NO warrenty the dealership wants 2700.00 PLUS tax to Clean it?? PLUS while it was in the Dealerships hands the PITMAN ARM BROKE and they are making ME pay for that as well?????I DONT have 3 grand to clean My Turbo????Can Someone HELP ME get My Money Back for this Garage? Or at least Help Me get it Fixed???
Comment by Harry Beasley — 03/10/2013 @ 9:38 am
I have the 09′ 6.7. I had to have the turbo replaced after 34,000 miles. Prior to that I had it in for service on the egr valve replacement once, and cleaned out the entire system 4 times before that. Fortunately the warranty covered it all. I have 67,000 + as of today and have not had a problem since 34,000 miles. That being said, today the perform service warning came on. Not knowing what “service” it was referring too, I called the dealer and was told I needed to bring it in for the crank case vent filter and cleaning out the egr system as a standard maintenance to the price of $499.00. Kind of sounds like BS to me. I thought I had this problem beat.
Comment by William Wood — 04/04/2013 @ 5:37 pm